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Grazin' in the Grass
Posted 10/16/2012 1:15:00 AM

As we get closer to the U-S election, some interesting side issues will emerge. Last time it was about gay marriage, this time it’s about marijuana.  Three states, Colorado, Washington, and Oregon will have propositions to regulate the retail sale of marijuana to people over 21.  A former Denver police officer is campaigning in favor.  He says he arrested lots of people during his career with small amounts of pot and he doesn’t think he accomplished anything.  He says if marijuana was regulated, that would make it less attractive to the gangs who benefit.  Others say regulation would provide millions in revenue, while saving millions more in policing and court costs.  Opponents are worried about keeping it out of the hands of children.  At the same time, the education minister in France said he thought there should be a debate on legalizing marijuana.  Under questioning he retreated, saying it was only a personal thought, and that he supports the laws of France that ban marijuana.  Is there a chance he was maybe running a flag up the pole to see if anyone saluted?  Let me know what you think.

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  1. Glen S.R. Woytuck posted on 10/16/2012 02:22 AM
    WHEN will governments admit that the "war on drugs" is an abject failure. Drugs, (of all sorts, not just marijuana) are readily available to anyone (including children) that wishes to purchase them. I would hazard even MORE available than alcohol which is legal. (When was the last time you saw a dealer get busted selling booze at a junior high school?)

    The ONLY effect prohibition has, is the same as it had with alcohol in the '20's. A: Keeps prices up so organized crime makes a fortune, and causes our streets to run red as they fight over the profit.
    B: Keeps taxes high to pay for police, courts, and jails to deal with all of the drug and ancilliary crime caused mostly by the high price.
    C: Ties up those resources making it more difficult to concentrate on serious criminal cases like murder and corporate fraud. (Perhaps even election fraud?)

    It is high time (pun intended) we re-examine our attitudes toward drug use. What you do to your own body, in the privacy of your own home or other legally designated space, is your business, and yours alone. Those who sell should pay taxes like the rest of us. Those who steal to support habits should be prosecuted. Those who wish to quit should be given treatment. (paid for by the taxes on the drug sellers).
    1. Richard posted on 10/16/2012 06:26 AM
      @Glen S.R. Woytuck It is time to tax marijuana. We can't keep it out of jails which is a very controlled environment. Like it or not Marijuana is here to stay. Let us keep the billions of dollars out of the hands of organised crime, and divert police resources elswhere.
    2. David W. Lincoln posted on 10/16/2012 09:52 AM
      @Glen S.R. Woytuck "What you do to your own body, in the privacy of your own home or other legally designated space, is your business, and yours alone" as long as this attempted at enlightened self interest is trotted out, be prepared for something hopefully more than the usual objection.

      Is there an objective case to be made about this issue, one that isn't politicized. I am waiting for that.
  2. Robert posted on 10/16/2012 05:39 AM
    Let me tell you from someone who had to put up with the second hand smoke from both tobacco and pot. Tobacco smoke irritated my eyes and I couldn't breathe. Pot smoke... how shall I put this? I thought I was going to die. My eyes were more than just irritated, they felt like they were on fire. And it didn't matter how much I held my breath, the pot smoke found a way to nearly suffocate me.

    Meaning I laugh at those who claim that crap is safer.

    And when they give their statistics when they say more people die from tobacco than pot, it proves that pot impairs their judgment. Those are simple numbers, not based upon usage. How many people use pot vs tobacco, and how often do they smoke? When they readjust those numbers into percentages, I can promise that pot is more lethal.

    But, hey. While we are reexamining the legality of pot, let's look at the legality of ecstasy, heroine, and other street drugs because less people die from those than tobacco.
  3. Vicki posted on 10/16/2012 07:04 AM
    If only it was that simple! Drug use does NOT only affect the person doing it. It is far more reaching than that. There are all the health care costs, lost productivity, criminal behaviour but especially the example and role modelling that is presented for our children. The BIGGEST cost to our society is children who are prenatally exposed to toxic substances and are born addicted and disabled - society pays a HUGE price to care for those children throughout their lives.
  4. Helga posted on 10/16/2012 08:16 AM
    Legalization of marijuana would increase taxable revenues and give the police more resources to go after dangerous criminals. Money would also be saved in the judicial system by not having to go to trial for the charges, and in the penal system for housing the illegal sellers. The legalization of prostitution would also benefit the taxpayers in the same way while protecting the prostitutes from pimps and health issues if the trade would be regulated with mandatory check ups.
  5. Garry Chubb posted on 10/16/2012 09:18 AM
    "Opponents are worried about keeping it out of the hands of children."
    I don't think there are ANY drug dealers who are worried about kids getting hold of "their" marijuana....in fact they encourage it....with all their stock.
  6. The Infidel - Mr.John posted on 10/16/2012 09:29 AM
    Can you imagine the culture shock that this would have on all those drug dealers who would now be out of work? The sales of Cadillacs and Lexus cars would tank. Auto detailing companies would go broke. Condo sellers would be homeless,...thrown out on the street....nobody to buy their penthouses. Yacht sales,...dead in the water. Nightclubs....empty. Jewellers throwing their gold necklaces and huge gold bling in the streets. Alison Redford plans another trip to "the top of the mountain" to get everybody to switch over to her "brand"!
  7. DavidF posted on 10/16/2012 09:38 AM
    There is such big, big money involved that, in Canada at least, there is no meaningful debate. On the justice side: police, corrections, lawyers, judges and others; on the criminal side: growers, dealers, importers, exporters, pushers and gang leaders; all of these groups have at least part of their livelihood invested in keeping dope illegal.

    It has nothing to do with right or wrong, morality, protecting society or children. It is completely about providing a sufficient lobby to maintain the status quo and protect the illegal marketplace. It would be very surprising if the impetus to overcome this inertia will occur within the next 3 or 4 generations.

    Our young folk, without money, power or a significant lobby, will continue to be hobbled on the legal altar of prohibition while the criminals and police pat each other on their figurative backs, acknowledging their mutual victory in the war on drugs.
    1. Senator George posted on 10/16/2012 03:12 PM
      @DavidF Random drug testing of our police, legal prosecutors, and sitting judge forces!
      How many do YOU think would PASS!?!
  8. Teresa Simon posted on 10/16/2012 06:53 PM
    Cannibis is no more harmful the tobacco and alcohol. It is probably more beneficial than harmful. It is ridiculous that it is still illegal. I tried it once a few months ago. I haven' t done it since. I would like to do it again, but I would like to know the quality and how It is grown (organic). I would also like not to feel like a criminal. I am a 48 year old female.
  9. Gary_Reinsch posted on 10/17/2012 12:22 AM
    Just over a decade ago, Portugal legalized the possession of all drugs within its borders. Not just marijuana - all of them. The result? According to attorney Glenn Greenwald in an interview with Time: "“Judging by every metric, drug decriminalization in Portugal has been a resounding success. It has enabled the Portuguese government to manage and control the drug problem far better than virtually every other Western country." What does Greenwald know, you might ask? Well he is the one who conducted research and authored a 2009 Cato study in regard to the impact that decriminalization had between 2001 and the time the study was written, the period over which the frequency of drug use and associated problems declined dramatically in Portugal.

    Of course, this and many other stories out of Portugal have taken a back seat to the country's economic problems. However, we should not assume that the two stories are related in that the legalized possession was in some way responsible for the economic decline in Portugal. In fact, quite the opposite is true. The changes in Portugal's approach led to lower rates of addiction across all drugs, saved the huge expenses associated with imprisoning drug users and instead directed them toward less expensive treatment and prevention programs that problematic users also became more apt to take part in.

    If North American and other Western governments were to do similar and also devise strategies for regulating and monitoring distributors (similar to what we do for alcohol), it would also generate a great deal of public revenues for use across all kinds of social programs, even those unrelated (at least directly) to drug use.

    Furthermore, we could direct our attention away from an unnecessary "war on drugs" that will never be won (at least by the side favouring abstinence and prohibition) and direct our focus on things that are more important, like democratic and electoral reforms that might help us steer away from such ridiculous policies in the future. Perhaps we could even get rid of the constitutionally invalid laws that are on the books - such as "hate crime" legislation.


    Some additional thoughts...

    If we're worried about impaired operation of motor vehicles and the like - I'm sure that some sort of effective roadside testing could be developed and put into place. I've been a type 1 diabetic for all but 4 years of my life. In that time (going on 35 years) there have been advances in technology that now allow me to test how much glucose is in my blood at the surface capilliaries almost anywhere on my body - in 5 seconds and using a pocket-sized device, no less. If more attention were directed toward the development of such a test for marijuana when behind the wheel, as a result of sales being all but ensured, I'm sure we would see the meters forthwith.

    Legalization would not prevent employers from testing for or prohibiting drug use in the workplace or on job sites that might require one's "full attention" for safety reasons and the like.

    I am always dismayed when I hear politicians and other community leaders state that drug trafficking is a means of support for terrorist causes. While the "war on terror" is another useless cause, that is a whole other topic. My question for those who use the "supporting terrorists" argument to encourage the current prohibition laws is: "Why would we expect anything else? Since when have terrorists or other crime organizations preferred traceable monies to fund their causes?" At least legalization and regulation would create a paper trail that could be followed.



    Also, if anyone wanted more information about the results of the Portugese legalization, here are a few links:

    http://www.time.com/time/health/article/0,8599,1893946,00.html

    http://www.alternet.org/story/151635/ten_years_ago_portugal_legalized_all_drugs_--_what_happened_next

    http://www.scribd.com/doc/13784156/Drug-Decriminalization-in-Portugal-Lessons-for-Creating-Fair-and-Successful-Drug-Policies-Cato-White-Paper
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